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#636293 Jul 15, 2008 at 07:46 PM · Edited 9 years ago
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Please don't transfer until you have gotten in touch with Daf.

Beginning Wednesday, go to legacytheguild.guildportal.com. Go to the top and click apply to this guild. Fill out an application using your main's name. Double check that your name is on Daf's list (make sure Daf knows what alts you are transferring as well).

At that point, you may put in for a server transfer. After you are transferred, whisper one of the officers in Legacy for an invite.
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#637902 Jul 16, 2008 at 09:37 AM
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Has any arrangement been made for the future of EoA on this server for those of us who aren't transferring. Can someone post a quick summary?

Thanks and good luck to all. Have fun!
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#637920 Jul 16, 2008 at 09:41 AM · Edited 9 years ago
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#637902 Puritum wrote:


Has any arrangement been made for the future of EoA on this server for those of us who aren't transferring. Can someone post a quick summary?

Thanks and good luck to all. Have fun!



I was about to ask that myself. Will it be disbanded or will it be left to survive on its own, the survivors become savage road warriors who strip the land of all its phat lewtz and wiminz?
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#637934 Jul 16, 2008 at 09:47 AM
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... so I guess that means a decision was made?? I was there fore the first 1.5 hours of the guild meeting, but had a run after that. What happened? I am not transfering. A post summarizing what is happening would be very good.

What is the status of the guild bank? I know I donated items for the benefit of our guild EoA on TB, not for the benefit of Legacy on Eitrigg. Seems crappy if there are plans to run off with all that stuff.

...wiminz? LOL :)
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#638103 Jul 16, 2008 at 10:40 AM · Edited 9 years ago
Officer
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Daf has said that the guild bank will be distributed among players by their DKP. I think he and Torquil are going to work out something that is fair. No one has any plans of absconding with the bank but please be patient while it's all worked out.

Edited to add that it is my understanding that EoA will not be disbanded.
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#638107 Jul 16, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Member
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Thanks, Xy. It would be great if you could post some updates on things here, for those of us who aren't on the server 24/7.
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#638109 Jul 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM · Edited 9 years ago
Officer
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I will continue to do so as I find out information.

For those of you who weren't at the guild meeting or left before a decision was made, the jist of the thing went like this...Daf asked that those who were interested in transferring come talk to him. It turned out that enough people were interested, so the process was started. As far as I know, no one was "turned down" or anything like that. Also, I don't think anyone was pressured into making a move that they ultimately didn't want to make. I think most people are sad to going and wish they could have it both ways -- raid progression here with all you lovely people.
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#638902 Jul 16, 2008 at 04:13 PM
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[quote_post638103 user=15110]Daf has said that the guild bank will be distributed among players by their DKP. I think he and Torquil are going to work out something that is fair. No one has any plans of absconding with the bank but please be patient while it's all worked out.[quote_post638103]

Well that doesn't seem right at all!

The items in the bank have been given freely by all the members of EoA for the benefit of EoA. Those of you who are choosing to leave this guild are making this decision freely. Part of that choice is that you are giving up your membership in EoA and the rights that go with it. That includes the guild bank. If you decide to walk away from EoA then you have no right to any item in there.

You can't have it both ways:
Either you are a member of EoA, and you stay here and you get to use the items in the bank;
-OR-
You choose to leave EoA and you leave all the benefits including bank items behind.

Leaving AND taking the guild's items with you in straight NINJA.

DON'T STEAL FROM THE GUILD. There is nothing that justifies leaving and taking it. No one forced you to deposit items. No one forced you to leave the guild to a different server. Now that you have made your intentions known, you cannot pretend that turning in DKP at this point for these items in any way benefits EoA. All you would be doing is stealing.
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#638953 Jul 16, 2008 at 04:34 PM
Member
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I believe the way its going to work is that dkp is translated into items. Those that are leaving the server will be keeping their dkp to be translated onto the other guilds suicide kings list. This isn't going to be the top dkp person gets everything. Most of the bank, from my understanding, will be distributed among those who aren't going and thus dkp is worthless to them.

But then I'm going to wait for an official announcement on this.
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#638961 Jul 16, 2008 at 04:38 PM
Raid Master
107 Posts
LOLZ sanssa..

THe guild bank has always been for the expressed purpose of raiding and all donations have been accounted for in DKP.. so if u deposited then u will get back ur deposit amount in items as per the standard formula. Hence what u put in u get out. What could be more fair. All other items will be left in the guild bank for Archelakus to do with as he sees fit. Furthermore only people who wish to wipe their dkp will be withdrawing those of us who are transferring actually will have our dkp converted to Suicide King rankings. So almost all of those who leave will withdraw nothing. However since the guild is fundamentally changing it is a time to offer all members an opportunity to divest themselves of their EoA "Shares' i.e. dkp. if u want to keep your dkp then awesome u can and there will be the guild bank under archelakus' control.

Maybe you should understand the policy fully before u start throwing out NINJA labels. There is no Stealing from the guild bank that is like saying if u go withdraw your money from your RL bank cause u are going to another bank u are a RL NINJA. Our bank has never worked off of a policy of unaccounted deposits unlike other guilds and any items that were collected in the process of raiding like recipies and gems will stay in the bank for archelakus to do with as he see's fit.

In the future I would suggest u read and understand our guild policies given that you are a member of the guild.


Cheers,
Daf
-Trakaar
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#639002 Jul 16, 2008 at 04:55 PM
Officer
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Not that I'm necessarily advocating either side here, but there are a few points that seem to be overlooked.

1. Most (maybe not all) items in the guild bank are there either through raiding or through members depositing through Torquil for DKP.

Did people donate all those epic patterns? No. How about all the epic gems? Nope. All of those came from our raiding - for which people earned DKP. Most of the crafting items? Enchanting mats? Rep items? Almost all were donated for DKP. In that sense...

2. DKP can be used as a measure of effort put into furthering the guild toward its goals.

Let's face it - the primary goal of the guild has been raid progression all along. Sure, some of us couldn't, or didn't, raid as much as we would have liked, but the guild's goal as an entity was raiding. Consequently, it could be said that those who didn't raid as often or donate as much to the bank didn't contribute as much to the guild's overall goal - as expressed by their comparatively lower DKP values.

3. The DKP "cash-out" option has always been available. It's not a recent development.

People have often bought crafting mats and the like with their DKP. It's not something that was just sprung on people within the last couple days.

4. Daf has mentioned there will be a penalty for those people moving who want to cash out their DKP.

As of right now, our guild members will enter their loot list based on DKP. If people choose to cash out their DKP, they will have 0, and therefore be moved to the bottom of the new guild's loot list as if they were a fresh recruit.

I know people are upset alot of us are making the move, and even some of us who are moving are sad to be leaving. But does that make taking some of our bounty with us "theft"? No one ever suggested that we were running off with the entire guild bank or anything of the sort, but shouldn't items earned by the raid and donated by raiders be reimbursed to them if they so choose? Just a few things to chew on.
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#639068 Jul 16, 2008 at 05:22 PM
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Daf - Don't be patronizing. It is just unnecessary.

I know the policy and already read the policy before posting. I was responding to Xylia's comment. The way she put it, "Daf has said that the guild bank will be distributed among players by their DKP" it sounds as if all the items are being taken out based on DKP. Since there has been no communication to the guild regarding the decision of the transfer or the particulars other than the few comments on this thread, I can only go by what was posted here. Xylia’s comment goes on to further say that this process of distributing items is being worked out; therefore, I felt it was important to make sure that I voice my opinion before anything is set in stone. And my opinion stands: I do not believe anyone leaving the guild has a right to any of the items in the guild bank, no matter how much DKP they have. And I say this even regardless of the guild bank policy. I wanted to convey how strongly I feel this and my choice of words was appropriate for expressing that.

This is an extraordinary situation that the policy does not address. What makes this extraordinary, among other reasons, is that there is such a long time between the announcement and the actual exodus. Another reason it is extraordinary is the sheer number of people leaving. Normally this would never come up if a person left. I am concerned that those choosing to leave will take everything. And they will probably feel they have a right to it. I counter that they forfeited this right regardless of the time and effort they spent to put it in the bank. When people are withdrawing it now and taking it with them to Legacy, it feels like they are cheating the rest of us staying in EoA. You all have made the choice to leave EoA and you have weighed the pros and cons to make that choice. Loss of access to the guild bank would be a con.

Daf I know you mention that most of the people leaving will likely convert their existing DKP into the new point system for Legacy. I hope so. I hope that this situation I am so fired up about never comes to fruition.

For those of you who plan to stay in EoA – what are your thoughts on this?
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#639107 Jul 16, 2008 at 05:42 PM
Raid Master
107 Posts
I am not the one who started throwing the label ninja around at the drop of the hat. >.> I wil be a little patronizing to people who become acusatory before they know the facts as that is in all regards a quite uncordial attitude to a group of people who have put in so much effort to get us where we are. I think the officers and me have done more work than many people know and for us to be the target of accusations is somewhat unreasonable.
-Trakaar
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#639161 Jul 16, 2008 at 06:05 PM · Edited 9 years ago
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I AM AN RL NINJA!!!!! Me and Indymac. Lulz.
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#639210 Jul 16, 2008 at 06:40 PM
Member
63 Posts
I want my CD's back but you can keep the pot plant.

Seriously though lets not make this harder than it already is; dont mix and match possible out comes to try and please everyone. Just make a policy and apply it across the board.

If the raiders going to Legacy require materials to take with them from the guild bank, then Liquidate the raiders DKP across the board. DKP = Shares in the guild bank. Then work out the split, give the raiders leaving the stuff to deposit to hold in an independant bank on Eitrigg ( just in case things do or do not work out Eitrigg side ). Leave the remaining DKP share of those staying in EoA bank for those that stay on TB.

No options no arguements; dont lets burn all our bridges.
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#640661 Jul 17, 2008 at 09:41 AM
Officer
162 Posts
Howdy gang! I'm sure the guild bank issue will be handled in a fair manner. I have faith in our officers. I guess my concern is more along the lines of the Vent server, website, and what officers are remaining.

So...
Vent - Will it be around? How far into the year is it paid up for?

Website - Same thing. how long is it paid up for and who currently manages and who can/will mnage it after the transfers are completed?

PayPal - Is there moeny left in it and if so, may the guild continue to use it ot maintain the site and vent server?

Officers/Leadership - Who is staying? I am, but I'm not on nearly enough to be considerd a leader by any means. Remaining EoA members will need some order and leadership for future raids and events.

Thanks in advance for your response!
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#642201 Jul 17, 2008 at 10:10 PM
333 Posts
I haven't gotten any paypal deposit in months...
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#646709 Jul 20, 2008 at 12:31 AM · Edited 9 years ago
Officer
55 Posts
Rawr hi guys. Good luck to both the group of guildies transferring and to those sticking around. I had a great time during my stay with you all and it would be shame to see this change end in the downfall of EoA on TB. I don't know how many of you are going to stay but I wish you the best in trying to hold things together here!

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#646724 Jul 20, 2008 at 12:50 AM
Officer
66 Posts
Me too. ^^^^^

If Oda is on, I'm usually around. I miss priest sometimes (okay, a lot), but mostly I miss you guys. Good luck!

If I could be in a guild with 38 Glenns though, I'd start raiding again. Fo sho.

Not Mal though, he's an angry drunk. :D
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#648248 Jul 20, 2008 at 10:33 PM
333 Posts
Mal is a dude playing a girl toon? zomg
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